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I truly pray that God will restore the office of pastor in the church. We have lost much of the "shepherd" concept in too many of our churches. So often now, we now have a busy, distracted CEO leading us. In this crazy confusing world, we need a theologically grounded, prayerful sage, a Yoda, an Obi-wan to help us open up to the spiritual realities going on all around us and keep us grounded to the bedrock of scriptural truth that will not move. I'm praying for the church these days and I hope you will join me too.

Here's the link to the article I mentioned: http://www.internetmonk.com/archive/the-original-coming-evangelical-collapse-posts

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rachel says:

March 27, 2009 at 2:20 am

While living in Clevelend, TN the past month I have sensed this overwhelming change that God is going to be bringing. With the next generation getting ready for anti-christ or what. I had more to say but leaving it with this. This generation needs to be prepared of what is comming. Should reunite as ONE not seperate. Belief in one God & help eachother in time of need..not depend on selves or think we have the answers. Just look up..do as He says. When He tells us to do something, it is preparing us for what we are about to face.
Its hard going on the kind of trust & faith of waiting when God is going to move & not our timimg. While being here, my faith has defintly been tested many times. I moved here seriously out of faith & story within it self. Through living arrangements & a job. He pulls through right at the end. As I begin to doubt He changes that doubt & turns it into a powerful testimony & proofs His love & He still is beisde me time & time again..
love to share more..

Caryn Mason says:

April 4, 2009 at 2:45 pm

Hi Chuck! I just wanted to let you know that you are expressing my heart with the things you have written about and the suggestions you have made. I LONG for us to BE the church as beleivers coming together rather than “doing” church and trying to cater to the unbelieving world in the hopes that they may show up and somehow be touched by something. Our intentions may be good but our ways are man’s ways, produce no fruit and lack any real power. We each need to go after God w/ hunger for Him and who He is and allow Him to change us from inside out. I’m not sure how we do this as the church on Sunday morning or how to be part of a solution rather than complaining about problem. thanks for starting the diaglogue and for sharing.

Theiven says:

March 30, 2009 at 1:29 am

Wow. What an article. Praise the Lord

philip says:

March 30, 2009 at 1:31 am

Good article. Just my 2 cents here. We need simplicity in our church. Prayer, testimony and the presence of the Holy Spirit.

scarlett says:

March 30, 2009 at 1:35 am

but also…the “church” is not just the pastor. the man leading on stage…it is a body…and are WE the body (you and I-those who are not called to be pastors) fulfilling our responsibility as part of the Church. Sharing Christ, seeking Christ, HIS purpose and His will….or are we complaining all the time about how it should be and what it ought to be…are we as individuals praying …reading His word as should…living as we should…etc??? are we taking care of each other and caring for each other selflessly in His name…??? whats our motive for going and being at church??? well, i have to take a long deep look inside and see I have fallen short…and what am I going to do to let the Holy Spirit change me and be a true disciple of Jesus Christ. Authentic and real…no glitz or cheap glam. Are we as American Christians really aware of the antichrist spirit that is heavy in the atmosphere and settling into our “Christian” towns, communities, schools…but we cannot recognize the change and shift…because His glory has long departed……and we no longer recognize that Christ is not present. In our lives, sermons, worship, message…but “church” and our agendas have become consumed with our self needs, wants…lusts…is it any wonder “church” is not really “church” anymore???

Allison says:

April 1, 2009 at 7:33 pm

You’ve hit the nail on the head! I am currently searching for a church to call my own, and it’s exhausting. I want exactly what you’ve described here.

michael millier says:

April 1, 2009 at 10:35 pm

I so agree with what you have written, Chuck! To add:

1. I want intimacy. Staring at the back of heads, with the back of my head facing my brothers and sisters in Christ, while those monologuing on the “stage” keep my attention forward, does little to promote intimacy. May we forsake the Constantinian “basillica” meeting hall and return to the ancient Jewish synagogue structure, where all congregants were able to see each other’s faces, reactions, etc. This is better done in a living room or kitchen than in a special building, although it may be creatively achieved in some smaller special buildings. (Just as a side note: most, but not all, first century synagogues met in private homes).

2. I want accountability. Through most of my “church life” (since 1978) I could basically walk in and out of a church service and have been living in terrible sin. No one there (save God) would know! How could they? Hardly anyone knew me, spent time with me, hung out at my house or frequent haunts, etc. Reducing the size of churches and arranging seating, etc to promote more personal interaction would aid in my quest for greater accountability. Having a time for confession/discussion of problems etc during each gathering would also help (think early Methodist meetings).

3. I want to exercise my spiritual gifts and benefit from others exercising theirs. In the large “basillica” style meeting halls and program-driven church services I frequently take part in, few people (especially newcomers!) feel liberty to contribute to the gathered Body via the “charismata” urged by the Spirit and modeled in the New Testament. Again, paring down church size and increasing intimacy would do wonders for our need to see and experience wonders done by God in our midst. Those new to their gifts could better be mentored by the more experienced in smaller group settings when and where people get time to actually know each other and grow more comfortable with each other.

There are probably one or two more things I could add, but this is my list for now. Obviously, I have come to feel lost in large churches. Here in Manila, with Church of God Makati as my local church home, I anticipate our Friday night Life Group meetings (in homes) more than any larger get-togethers. It is during these times that my need for “church” that provides me with intimacy, accountability, and the ability for all present to exercise their spiritual gifts is met.

Elsie Reyes says:

April 2, 2009 at 1:19 am

Thanks for sharing this Pas. Chuck. My year of rest started yesterday April 1,2009 and so I am in a much meditative mood these days as I enjoy the flexibility of deciding what to do with my time without being unproductive. TO mark my year of Sabbath I have entered into a Daniel’s fast this week and will go on a weeklong water only fast commencing April 6 right after Brian Kairuz wedding. Your sharing has given me an insight into the condition of the church there in US where the Lord is soon ushering me. My heart is so full of excitement because the Lord has been speaking to me about so many things He is about to do in my life within the context of a married person. Some of your recent postings have in some way confirmed what God has already been laying down in my heart. Thank you so very much for everything. Shalom!

chuckquinley says:

April 18, 2009 at 6:03 am

Elsie, you will be a powerful instrument of God in the churches you encounter in the USA. I pray that you can find good use in the home church God places you in.

Kellie says:

April 2, 2009 at 3:42 am

Thank you for your insight–it’s a confirmation to what I have been seeing. For quite some time my husband and I have been concerned about the same issues within the Body. So much is watered down and self-centered these days. I did a quick online survey of churches in our area across several denominational lines and found all but one have removed references to Jesus along with their statements of faith. It’s time to throw away church models, programs, and systems and get back to just preaching the Word. As the Word says, ‘study to show yourself approved.’ We need pastors who will put the time in study and prayer and leave the rest to God.

Rob Leighton says:

April 2, 2009 at 5:44 am

Dear Chuck,

You really nailed it on this one. I am so glad I am a part of a church that really takes diligence on doing the concerns that you have mentioned.
I have been in a lot of churches here in the states and am sad to say that most are run like a business. We need Pastors to have the anointing of the Holly Spirit and the fear of God as they Govern the church.
I appreciate our church, even though they have a tendency to be too commercial, at least they desire to operate under the direction of the Spirit and have power in prayer.

Yes there is a spirit of the antichrist in America and I pray for this nation to fall on our knees and humble ourselves in repentance. The churches are not doing enough and are to often blinded by worldly influence and deception.

I know that the Lord is preparing Sweety and myself for a ministry of church planting, and my prayer is that we will have discernment concerning these things and will operate our future church by the Spirit of God and not by human thinking.

Thank you Chuck for staying sensitive to the Spirit and wanting to please the Lord Jesus in your ministry.

Rob

yoel says:

April 2, 2009 at 8:39 am

i agree, most and all. i want a church that attracts the presence of God… im not talking about methods im talking about the vessel… vessel that is overflowing out of gratitude and adoration… its all about HIS PRESENCE… i am a firm believer that God, my Jesus is in the business of restoring the first and greatest commandment on the first place… first commandment on the first place…

Paul Richardson says:

April 2, 2009 at 8:22 pm

When I read your description of what you’d like in a church I had to smile, because I go to a church that has ALL of those things in abundance. Last week, we had a 1 hour worship service, then a prayer, then took requests and had another prayer with the whole congregation up front, then ANOTHER prayer requested from the Elders by someone who was sick, then the scripture-filled sermon laced with anecdotes by the pastor, who works as a Sergeant in the Sheriff’s office, then we all ate together while avoiding rain drops.

I think the difference is that we’re not constrained by a “committee” about every single thing and we’re kind of small. I think that’s possibly what you’re looking for – a small church.

Oh yeah – we don’t take an offering either. We have a basket in the back that we mention about once every other month. Revenues haven’t dropped at all since we gave up the ushershuffle.

Our “campus” is 4 acres – all paid off – with a few buildings all in decent repair and a community garden we started this year.

So maybe you should move to Brandon for while. You can’t stay with me though because I don’t like Balut breath.

chuckquinley says:

April 8, 2009 at 1:52 am

Paul, sounds like a real church. I see them in many places, but they are usually clearly marked by being out of the “church business” and into community and obedience to Jesus as Lord. You are blessed…and I may well visit you, but I’ll brush the Balut* out of my teeth before I come. (*For the uninitiated, Balut is a Filipino delicacy, an almost hatched duck egg, not quite an egg and not quite a duck yet. You eat it all and drink the juice–yum!)

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Bennet Arren Lawrence at 2:56pm March 24
wow! Im praying for such a place in chennai… may be that I shud do something to mobilize such a place of worship… Im reluctant to call that a church yet…

Keisha Lennon at 4:39pm March 24
Once again, Chuck you’ve given me much to think about, along with shouting a few “Amen’s” while reading your thoughts. Thanks for sharing.

Terry Ross at 5:08pm March 29
AMEN! I am right there with you, Chuck. Thanks for speaking honestly from your heart. The ‘game’ of church is way beyond the point of feeling old, worn out and irrelevant. I am watching the attitudes of my two oldest grandkids who have been raised their entire lives in the church. The oldest recently said that if it were not for playing in the band… Read More

Jill Warner at 8:18pm March 29
Oh Chuck…so often in my work I meet people who have turned away from the church because the church (the social institution vs the people as the body of Christ) has strayed so far and it just breaks my heart. I am not sure that there is any one answer but I pray humbly and wholeheartedly for God to raise people to impact the church, one church at a time.

Chuck Quinley at 12:34am April 1
thanks for those comments! we are the church and we have to help make it what it needs to be. there has to be a good way to agitate for healthy change within the churches we love.

Jason Paul Villacourt at 12:59am April 1
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i know there are tons of us out here in this funny world who have the same thoughts exactly… and i am also praying for this change.

thanks for your honesty sir.

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Erwin Amador at 1:52am April 1
“I want the pastor to preach from the Bible. REALLY from the Bible. Not just a verse and run off on his topic.”

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Camille Calilung at 2:30am April 1
There is a sense of dissatisfaction growing in a number of Christians as to the direction the Evangelical church is moving (towards more of a personal enrichment seminar) instead of telling the Story. The Mystery….the Wonder… the Sacred is gone. We’ve stripped it off. It’s been replaced by a lot of pseudo-psychology. That’s why we see a lot of … Read More

Apples Knapp at 3:58am April 1
Nobody could have said it better… Thank you for verbalizing it. It has been the cry of many for quite some time now.

Sarita Ladios at 6:27am April 1
amen!! i want that kind of church as well…i agree in everything that have been said…will be praying with you to find a church that will meet yours and many others like you and me that are seeking for more of God in a church…churches (ones that i have seen and visited) nowadays is becoming a social gathering…its losing the true love and passion for Christ…i want to be in a church that i can feel and see the love of Christ at work…

Phillip Underwood at 8:46am April 1
This makes me warm inside for what God is doing around and in me. Not only do I agree but I walked away from my form to journey toward Jesus’ life.

Claire Tyson Till at 9:57am April 1
PTL I am so glad to hear someone speak up. Our church has gone down the tubes the last few years and our official are pushing it to go that way. We need to get back to prayer, fasting and the spiritual gifts working in the church and not hearing pastors get up and try to make you just feel good. Singing needs to be annointed and then we will see … Read More

Sherylen Patterson at 5:19pm April 1
Chuck,
Seems as though you have the vision for the church that God wants us to have, and we desire….Prehaps you are the one to start it….

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April 19, 2009 at 3:54 am

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